The Tea Party is so fake and hypocritical... muthafuckas out there bitching about the public option while they're on Medicare. Where the fuck were they when Reagan, Bush Sr., and W. ran the deficit up? Idiots complaining about big government and taxes when Obama has already done more for their personal tax relief than Bush ever did. How the fuck do you let Fox News convince you to rally for more tax cuts for the wealthy? How the fuck do you let Fox News convince you socialism is worse for you than the fascists who set their adgenda? Fox News is a fucking joke and it is ridiculous how many people don't realize it. Sarah Palin is a fucking publicity stunt, not a leader. I'm not trying to fuck the goddamn president. I need someone in there who won't make stupid decisions and embarrass me on the international stage.

I'm not thrilled with either major political party and on many issues I'm so far left that I meet up with the far right. It's like a circle where the extremes meet up. I don't love everything Obama does but you have to admit he is a relief from the idiot that he replaced. Ron Paul and Kucinich are not without warts but I might be willing to give them a try. I don't think they'll ever become president unless they make the same concessions Obama has had to make. Yes that sounds conspiratorial but I see no reason not to believe when you hear some of the research hilighted over the years by Dave Emory and the like. Check out Spitfirelist.com, put some of the podcasts on your mp3 player and listen to them while you're at work. Then come back and tell me you're "conservative" or "liberal". Most muthafuckas don't even know they're just pawns, at best, in a sick and ruthless ploy for global domination by straight-up fascists.

Well the problem is no one wants to admit their wrong or made a mistake. Capitalism was a idea founded when in this country a man could start his own business with a idea, a few hundred dollars and some long hours. Now we're all slaves to a few major corporations who you either work for or buy their products. There also the problems like work going over seas. I mean how can you expect Joe Smoe to buy your product if you send his job to India??? And probably the most significant problem is healthcare and you have to give to Obama for atleast admitting it and going head with the plan even though it probably means he's only going to serve one term. And to the people who are scared of Socialism how they forget how this country was started. We combined our way of living based on older societies just like we are a melting pot of cultures I believe we are a melting pot of soceities. So whats wrong with adopting what works in a Socialistic system and tweaking it to work for us. Like one idea that I like is how some companies in Scandanavien countries have to appoint  union members to the board of directors who is a liason to the employees so the company has a harder time royaly fucking the little guys. I believe they also oversee agreements between the union and company which also keep the union in check, so you don't have the union attempting to get greedy with the company. The unions believe if the company succeeds they succeed its more of win win for everyone. I mean can things get any worse than they are now. I just left a major Communications company where all they worry about is the bottom line before the axe fell on my neck. Now I work for a non-profit railroad where I make less money but more laid back of a job you would ever hope for.

Also, not trying to be sappy but I hope we don't let political differences prevent us from being friends.

nah, I'm not that shallow. My new brother in law is very liberal and I think hes a kick ass friend, as are you

yeah, people taking advantage of government programs while complaining about government interference is extremely lame. I'm fairly sure that that is not what the tea party is about and not what the majority of "them" are doing. Every group on the planet has its Jerry Springer members and I'm sure the media outlets with opposing opinions do their best to paint the tea party as a bunch of hypocrites.

Its all bullshit, if I had the 1/3 of the wages I earned that the government takes I could save that myself, I dont need their social security or medicare. I understand why those programs were created though: because a big chunk of the population of the US are too fucking stupid to take initiative on their own. That is my main problem with this world: why do people who know how to live their life responsibly have to be lumped in and treated just like the mouth breathers out there? Not that I expect to be treated special but why should my money go to paying for ghetto crack mammas 15 kids health insurance? What is this joke of a country going to say when I go to collect the money I have been paying in SS and they dont have it? I now have to wait until I am 67 to collect it because some jackass decided to bail out the shitty american car companies and another jackass decided to start worthless wars.... wtf

Yes Sarah Palin is just a puppet, as is obama, and GDub.... I know about the fascists behind both parties that are really calling the shots....

There's no reason we as a society can't afford Medicare and Social Security. Hell, there's really no reason that the majority of Americans can't be on welfare given how productive those who do want to work can be. Think about it... not that long ago a good 1/2 of Americans (women) had no income... No I'm not saying they didn't have to work hard too... I'm just saying we can support a large number of people who don't work. Now with computers, communication, robotics, etc. the number of people who have to work should be less. Just remember, nobody gets rich on their own.

I'd rather have welfare for "stupid and lazy" people than warfare... and yes the choice really has been that simple all along. I suspect the amount of money we've wasted on excessive militarization over the last 60-70 years dwarfs all entitlements and welfare spending by orders of magnitude. The amount of money we lose to cooperate welfare can probably nourish every child in the country, whether they be "crack babies" or not.

It is definitely within our power and best interest to care for all children. They have no choice who their parents are or what their parents do or how the rest of society treats them.

And I guaran-fuckin-tee you one thing: There are just as many STUPID AND LAZY rich kids as there are poor ones.

agreed and they are worse because they have every opportunity to make something of themselves. At least their rich parents cover their bills rather then having to freeload off taxpayers.

I also agree on the warfare part, we need to take care of whats at home rather than sticking our nose in every other countries bidness...

Why criticize poor helpless children? That's really twisted and evil. Even attacking their parents is shallow when you consider all the wealthy people and cooperations that "freeload" by not paying their fair share of taxes. Most people don't have the means to avoid paying taxes like the rich do. Can you afford to pay someone to figure out how to cheat taxes for you? They can and do.

Most poor people also have obstacles in life that 99% of Republicans have no idea how to relate to. It is like playing a game of chess where a poor guy starts with just one pawn and the rich guy has 16 queens. You can't blame the guy for losing or quitting... he never had a chance.

I am not a registered voter so I guess I can't really complain about anything. I do however feel that I support the ideas of the GOP.

I started working in a reasturant in college putting in alot of hours at a job that anyone can do. after 3 years I managed to save enough money to put a down payment on a house. I bought a 4 unit appartment complex. A pretty sweet deal, the income I get from renting 3 units covers my mortgage payment and taxes. Recently I had an apt. open up for rent. I had one young adult around my age fill out an application. I noticed that he too is employed at a local reasturant. He told me that I wouldn't have to worry about rent money from him for a year because the goverment was going to pay for a place for him to live for 1 full year. I could not believe this and was very offended. 1: he is working in the position I was at a time. Did I get free housing? no!. 2: I don't live in the nicest ritchest area, but it def. far from the slums. There is government housing 15 mins away in Harrisburg that other ppl receiving similar monies live in. What makes him think that I would even consider making my house a government housing "project"?! The point here is that reasturant employees, from my expierences piss most of their money away partying and buying drugs. And it pissed me off when thinking thats what this jackass does and he get free housing outa it.

Our socialist prez. does not want to create more jobs. Not saying he wants to hurt jobs either, but more jobs is counter productive to his "health care reform" He wants more ppl to be apart of his health care. The less ppl working the more ppl he has control over in his health care plan. The trillions he printed out and loaned out to companies is just another way for him to get his hand into everything.

In regards to the auto bailouts, and bank bailouts. St00pidest ;) idea ever. Since when in a capitalist society can you sell a product that is not selling well enough to support your company and still stay in buisness? Since obama took office i guess. Why is 5 car companies not enought? simply because there was 7 to start out with? He is keeping these companies alive with loans but there is still not enough demand for their products so eventual fail there anyway. As for saving jobs thats bullshit. If one company goes under the others making products (cars) that are in demand will thrive even more and buy old plants and employ more workers. Throwing money at something will not increase demand for that product. I wish I could own a shitty company making shitty products and have to government throw money at me to keep me open for the next 10 years b4 I claim bankruptcy.

I probably shouldnt have gotten involved in this conversation but ooh well....

I can't make sense of what you said about Obama and heath care... but I won't argue too much because I'm not happy with what got passed anyway. However, I'm sure what I want for health care is far different from what the GOP wants.

When you talk about insurance, of any type, you're talking about socialism. Insurance is socialism and for-profit insurance can not theoretically provide a better value than a non-profit. As a government run program, you could also feed in tax on tobacco, alcohol, high-fructose corn syrup, etc which are leading causes of health care expenses. Insurance is a well known science so the real challenge is to keep people healthy and make the system efficient. You can say commercial competition can help with efficiency but, again, the ultimate efficiency is a single-payer system. If that's the conclusion, I trust the government more than I do any for-profit health insurance company.

How do you know that guy who was taking gov't money wasn't spending his money on legit prescription meds or whatever? Anyway, I just don't get as worked up about weed-smoking Joe "Mooch" Schmoe abusing of what little assistance the government provides as I do about Exxon not paying any taxes to the USA because they've stashed their windfall profits in offshore accounts. At least Obama has done something about tax evasion while Bush did everything he could to encourage it including straight-up tax cuts for the rich. Its all about priorities. Why hate on the little guy when the fat cats are every bit as corrupt if not more-so. There are bigger fish to fry!

If I could get away with not paying taxes I would do it also, I just dont give a shit, the money I work for should be mine and mine only. Not that I am taking the big corporations side but the founders of those big companies have found something that people want or need, meaning that they did some form of work and make some kind of contribution to the world. I wasnt picking on poor people as a whole with my comments above I was talking about the lazy ghetto turds that make a living of making babies so they can get government funds to cover their expenses.  The corporations that are smart enough to avoid taxes are looking out for money they made, not looking for government freebies while not making  any contribution to anyone but themselves, not even the babies they are mooching from:

www.youtube.com/watch

dont get the wrong idea about me posting that video, there are just as many white pieces of shit as black ones, and brown, and yellow, queer ones too....

You've focused your anger at someone who deserves concern and your sympathy for someone who deserves disdain. They've completely twisted and fucked your mind. You admit that you're greedy and selfish and that you actually respect and value those traits. Tell me something... who do you want to help? Do they need it?

I want fewer homeless and sick people walking around. I want to help people when they're down. Do you really think that eliminating subsidies the "ghetto turds", as you describe them, will make even the slightest dent on the economy and well-being of this country?

The lady in the video didn't say the gov't is going to pay for her gas and mortgage. She said now she doesn't have to worry about it. I think what she meant was that she doesn't worry about the economy and losing her job now that Obama is in a strong position to help. She was simply expressing her joy that finally there's someone in office that has her back and will fight for her interests.

The only sorry thing about that clip is the assumptions people like you make about it. The only sad thing about it is that you don't recognize the most salient point the lady made which is that if I help Obama, he'll help me. The truly pitiful thing about all you Obama haters is that you don't recognize that he's trying to help you. At the end of the 4 or 8 years he has in office Obama will have done more to help all you ignorant fools than anyone with the last name Bush ever did. How do I know? Because he's already done that in 1 year in office.

I've said all along that the problem is not that 80% of black people support Obama... it is that less than 80% of white people do. He's trying to help you too.

You can't make everyone happy with every decision or law you put into effect. They way I see it is that if you spend lots of money helping the getto turds you will be hurting the middle class. Tax money is going  towards paying off credit card bills that ppl can't afford to pay. Why should I help to pay for some guys $10,000 surround sound and flat screen that he irrsponsibly charged to his credit card. A friend of mine is a probation officer, when he makes house visits he says that most families houses are lacking furnature and beds. But one thing they do have is the biggest fucking television you have ever seen jammed into a 10 by 10 living room. Because credit card companies are being forced to settle for less than whats owed, my interest rates have gone up. The same effect can be seem in bank loans. I work for a "small company" my boss tells me that line of credit rates are up and it very hard now for him to get a loan. His uneployment taxes are up to $4,000 a quarter. All this put on a guy who some weeks doesnt pay himself so that he can afford to pay his employees.

Im just saying that giving money to ppl who just will piss it away on "dubs" for there 1980 caddy is not going to help this country. In other words don't give a homless guy cash and expect him to buy a hotel room and take a shower for the night. Give him a blanket and socks, but don't be surprised if he pawns it for a bottle of jack. I know this sounds sterotyplical but you get what im saying.

Just got an email from on live beta. YAY i've been accepted gonna go play some games now. They better have ut3 in the beta program.

You guys keep harping on the same thing and it doesn't change the fact that 100% of your focus is on a 1% of the problem. Middle class debt far outweighs the debt of poor people. For every person that buys a plasma on credit I bet there are two who bought McMansions that they can't afford. For every person that uses gov't money for rent while rollin on dubs I bet there are two who cheat taxes and spend it on private golf club membership. And when you look at those cases in monetary terms, the contrast is several times greater.

You guys need to pull your heads out of Rush Limbaugh's ass and recognize who the real drain on society is.

greedy and selfish? why everytime there is an exchange of something of value does the government get a chunk? A family member dies and the gov gets an inheritence too. You win the lottery and the gov gets a nice chunk of that. Soon they will be taxing the air we breathe and taxing the number of farts that come out of your ass.

Why should I have sympathy for ghetto people who would shoot me in the face and rob me without a care in the world? Are you going to blame conservatives for that? The greedy and selfish person I am wonders why I have o share my cookies with someone who would shoot my mother and steal her shoes.

I dont listen to Rush Limbaugh, I dont listen to any political bullshit because I am disgusted by it all. The media disgusts me too since they twist news to fit whatever agenda they serve.

You know whats really bullshit, I am having second thoughts about having children because I dont want to bring a child into a world they cant afford due to how taxes will be in the next decade. Just wait till the global warming nazis have their way.

So tell me, what has obama done to help? wasting taxpayer money to bailout companies that helped cause all the problems with the economy? Oh but the economy fallout was the GOPs fault huh?

There is plenty of information out there about what Obama has been up to. How about the Obameter for one which lists all his campaign promises and rates his progress on each one... not bad for one year I'd say.

You guys are doing nothing to dissuade my notion that the GOP's core support is based on delusion, greed, and fear. Do you really think if even as much as 1% of "ghetto people" would kill you and your mother that you'd still be alive. I feel sorry for you that you've allowed sensationalism to sucker you into fearing people who would never even bother you.

You blame Obama for the deficit? Are you fucking kidding me? He was told by experts far and wide that the stimulus package was needed to avert a fucking great depression and this was during his first weeks in office! And now you start in with climate change. Now you're going to start doubting the overwhelming majority of scientific research?

That's just plain ignorant and foolish.

Settle down man, your misinterpreting what I've said or trying to read too much into it.

1. I never said I blame obama for the deficit and I didnt say there was no stimulus package needed. I said some companies that were bailed out were contributors to the fallout of the economy.

2. let me rephrase my comment about global warming: I meant manmade global warming. I'm sure there is some form of gobal warming happening with all the forests being cut down to make room for more welfare offices, sorry I'm a dick I know . The global warming nazis will overexaggerate its status and effect so they can make more taxes, like on farts *and so they can take away more of our freedoms.

Here is an example of green nazi-ism:

www.gpsworld.com/transportation/road/news/netherlands-turns-green-with-gps-road-tax-9147

And the Emporer:

3. I dont support the GOP.  Last election I voted Ron Paul before that I voted libertarian (Michael Badnarik?), I will probably vote Ron Paul again in 2012. However, in the WI elections this year I will be going GOP across the board as will most people I know. The people running this state now, especially Doyle, need to GTFO. I'm just glad the deadline has passed for them to mess up things worse.

My ideas and believes come from real life situations that i've seen. I don't ask for the government to help me out financially. I don't need it. Do some people  need it and desever it, yes. The show extreme home make-overs come to my mind when I think of people who deserve help. The people that should be given very limited help are the ones that I talked about in my previous posts. Too many are taking advantage of the system. These people are not helping themselves, they are sitting back drinking 40s and mooching off of decent hard working, tax paying Americans.

As for corporations evading taxes. Im sure they all are doing it. If they stop doing it am I going to personally see a decrease in my taxes. Maybe, maybe not. Like sanchez said they are a contributor. Maybe their contributions and power got a little to big. But as long as the products they are selling remain affordable in not concerened. Start taxing them more and have gas prices double then ill be pissed. Regardless of whether you are a Rebublican or Democrat tax increases are bad. And rediculous governement spending is bad  because its doesnt come with out the Amercian people eventually paying it back through tax increases.

It is okay for companies to evade taxes because that saves you money? Bullshit... it just lines their pockets. If they did raise prices they'd become less competitive and lose market share. More often than not they're just unleveling the playing field to make more profit. As a person who works for a small company you should appreciate the importance of a level playing field.

I just came across this quote which (humorously) speaks to some of my points.

"The problem with the tea party movement, besides their almost universal rejection of dentistry, is that they want money for nothing and chicks for free. They want a deregulated free market and their jobs to stay here in the US; they want guaranteed health coverage regardless of preexisting conditions without a big government mandate; they want to call themselves teabaggers and people to keep a straight face. And of course they want big tax cuts along with deficit reduction. I can't even think of a suitable analogy for that disconnect--it's like thinking getting a handjob will clean your garage." -- Bill Maher

He goes on further to say:

"Everything that goes into defense costs us about a trillion dollars a year, most of which goes into fighting the Russians in 1978. Fighter planes for all those dog fights we get into with the Taliban, submarines to foil their evil plot to blow up our ships with car bombs, and space lasers to shoot down their exploding underpants...scream about handouts, this is what they should be protesting."

My point exactly! Stop complaining about "lazy ghetto people". Okay, say you could eradicate everyone who fails your litmus test. Congratulations... you've solved 0.01% of the problem.

sorry Pacer but quoting Maher is a bad choice. He has no credibility in my book. He is a member of PETA,  a domestic terrorist group that values animal rights over human. He supports this woman who is a bigger cunt than Nancy Pelosi:

thats ingrid newkirk, head of PETA, domestic terrorist, and nutjob supreme.

Not a very good example of people trying to live together when you quote a member of a hypocritical group that hates people, vandalizes KFCs and does their own fare share of killing animals.

put a bullet in both of them please.....

BARAKA WINS!!! this thread is not going anywhere... lock?

To be honest, I'm not much of a Maher fan either... not because of his politics... just cuz he's not that funny.

Yes this is totally out of place. There are plenty of other forums for political flame throwing.